What to do with

Angler #1 · 11-06-2009, 11:20 AM

any of the money from a Salt Water License.

This is not about why a license may be needed, but rather how the money should be distributed to complety benifit the shore bound recreational anglers that will be paying the bill if is implimented by the Commonwealth Of Massachusets.

We have heard that part of the money will be for excess and the remaining money will go towards Marine Fisheries.

Given that a great many of the management problems in the Marine Aquatic Resource are depended upon enforcing laws put in place to assist the management process.

Long term experiences by all whom fish along our coast line show that the lack of enforcement has only helped to reduce the species and quanity of shore bound fish available to those citizens and now we have an opportunity to correct a flaw in the system and we do not take advantage of it for political reasons?

The question is, do you support deticating part of the License Fee for Law Enforcement? Yes or No

learnner · 11-06-2009, 11:49 AM

No sense having without stong enforcement from the start.

Simple enought to target different locations each day or night

nite owl · 11-06-2009, 01:32 PM

Hopefully They Can Use Some Of The Money To Train The Epo's

Sea Flat · 11-06-2009, 02:34 PM

I would like it a lot if it went specifically for watching over people attempting to take shorts etc. I always get nervous when money gets put into the hands of the government because somehow it always finds its way to not going into what it was meant for. If in fact the money from a fishing license went towards fishery management and more policing of the fishing laws, I am for it.

ThatGuyDownTheStreet · 11-06-2009, 04:15 PM

So long as the Law Enforcment in question is the EPOs, then yes, we'll need more to enforce the license, anyway.

pogie_boy · 11-06-2009, 04:54 PM

Given that I believe one of the main contributors to the loss of inshore fish stocks is all of the poaching that goes on in the form of taking of illegal sized and numbers of fish in scores by the myriad of "subsistence" fishers.. I believe that the lions share of the $$$ we'd be ripped off with this affront to liberty SHOULD go to enforcement in the form of new EPOs (hired with law enforcement background and NOT biology backgrounds by the way) to specifically police those areas where such activity is KNOWN to go on all of the time!

pogie_boy · 11-06-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nite owl

Hopefully They Can Use Some Of The Money To Train The Epo's

They wouldn't have to if they hired folks trained in law enforcement.

Most of the candidates that they look for and hire are not.

It doesn't take a marine biologist to know or learn how to measure or count fish!

Most of the candidates they do take do not even pass the academy they're then sent to.

L-Dog · 11-06-2009, 07:35 PM

USE THE STATE OR LOCAL POLICE!! There is NO need to add more HACKS to the system.

davescarp · 11-06-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pogie_boy

They wouldn't have to if they hired folks trained in law enforcement.

Most of the candidates that they look for and hire are not.

It doesn't take a marine biologist to know or learn how to measure or count fish!

Most of the candidates they do take do not even pass the academy they're then sent to.

IMO, most EPO's do not have biological backgrounds.. some do for sure, but most do not. what their background/education is composed of is irrelevant in most instances. they need to know the regulations, and have the right personality to enforce those regulations. what is missing is sheer numbers of trained officers. that agency is underfunded and understaffed. many more EPO's set to retire in the coming years w/ fewer entering the ranks. this is fact. I fully support law enforement funding from the SW license.. i'd bet a c-note they deal w/ far more fisheries violations than wildlife related violations.

Tagger · 11-06-2009, 09:21 PM

Yes Law Enforcement ... As in enforcing access for licensed paying fishers everywhere.. I can see home owners hand cuffed in the back of the cruiser while I merrily fish out back ..

Backbeach Jake · 11-06-2009, 09:58 PM

Access. You wouldn't believe how law enforcement agencys can fritter away money. The best benefit for anglers would be access imho. There are enough officers out there, they just have to use their ticket books.

pogie_boy · 11-06-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by davescarp

IMO, most EPO's do not have biological backgrounds.. some do for sure, but most do not. what their background/education is composed of is irrelevant in most instances. they need to know the regulations, and have the right personality to enforce those regulations. what is missing is sheer numbers of trained officers. that agency is underfunded and understaffed. many more EPO's set to retire in the coming years w/ fewer entering the ranks. this is fact. I fully support law enforement funding from the SW license.. i'd bet a c-note they deal w/ far more fisheries violations than wildlife related violations.

Don't believe me? Go see what the requirements for candidacy are. If you'd like I could probably find my paperwork from the last time I took the exam. Nearly any biology, field science or botany coursework will qualify you. My friend with (at the time he looked into it) 10 years in as a patrol cop in a nearby town was told not to bother as he would not.

And not enough entering the ranks? When I was on the list, and I got a phone call (though I knew I didn't have all the credentials, I thought I'd try) there were 30 people in front of me (and I'm wicked smaht) , and mostly because they were veterans, who also did not qualify based on the same criteria (as was told to me by the person who contacted me.) If there aren't enough entering it's not because of lack of interest in the field. I know quite a few very qualified law enforcement professionals who would like the job, but who wouldn't get it.

I'm not saying they're a bad lot, I have never met one I didn't like and/or respect (and I know and have met a few). But if we're going to pay for more ENFORCEMENT, they're going to need to focus on hiring the right people for that job.

WalkinTheDog · 11-07-2009, 04:22 AM

I would guess that 75% of epo's are former military, for what thats worth. Just take a look at the results of the civil service exam. THe top 70 were all military. I was 73, no military experience. Im a linen manager now.
I think the money should be used for both law enforcement and access. Not regular law enforcement, i would puke in my mouth if the money went to general law enforcement, imagine paying a statie to read his paper. We need more epo's.

Im not in the best of shape now, but i busted my ass to get in shape to pass tha academy, that was my dream gig. How hard can the boston police academy be? Not too hard if its something you want.

Back Beach · 11-07-2009, 08:23 AM

Speed bumps every 100' on the canal road woud be a good start...

oldgoat · 11-07-2009, 08:55 AM

OK you've got me jumping. I think the money should be spent on portable bleachers for the outer cape so that fishermen and women can sit along the waters edge and watch the seals eat bass(note under the new licence they will only eat legal size bass) The special officers hired can sell popcorn of a special size so that the plovers wont choke. Dope will be sold under the bleachers for those that still believe that something good can come from throwing money at the government . And last but not the least all the animal groups that seam to have all the answers to controlling people could spend a little time (on site)of the species in question to get a better hold of the whole picture. i.e. Saving 6-9000 seals is ruining pleasant bay of all swimming life. In my opinion you can,t overload the system with a lot of seals without distroying other forms of life. END OF RANT

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