Rio OUT Bound Short

[Mike Oliver]

Roger,

Thanks, good idea. I will pop into my local post office who have very accurate digital scales. This line does feel so incredibly heavy that it may just be the wrong line in the right box. If it is the right weight then I would love to send it and my rod to Rio for them to have a cast with it. LOL

Mike

[briansII]

Originally Posted by Mike Oliver

Roger,

Thanks, good idea. I will pop into my local post office who have very accurate digital scales. This line does feel so incredibly heavy that it may just be the wrong line in the right box. If it is the right weight then I would love to send it and my rod to Rio for them to have a cast with it. LOL

Mike

As you noted in your original post, expect it to weigh 2 line sizes up, or maybe a bit more. Rio says it should be 375. For what it's worth, I've had one Rio line boxed wrong.

briansII

[flytyingguy1]

In most cases you can up line sizes but my understandind with this lie you have to use the exact wgt! I may be wrong & never casted the line but would be interested to.

[Spigola]

Originally Posted by flytyingguy1

In most cases you can up line sizes but my understandind with this lie you have to use the exact wgt! I may be wrong & never casted the line but would be interested to.

Come down to the Food Fling this year and I'll bring a couple of mine along.

Spig

[flysully]

I've used the 9wt line on my 10wt St Croix Ultra Legend this
fall and it casts great. Ron

[Spigola]

Originally Posted by flysully

I've used the 9wt line on my 10wt St Croix Ultra Legend this
fall and it casts great. Ron

Ron, glad you like it. Hope you and Dottie are OK.

Lou

[Genty]

I've used both the 10wt and the 10wt tropical on trips to Florida and Montauk this year, in conjunction with my 10wt Scott STS rods, and both lines work like an absolute dream.

With any shooting head profiled line, there is going to be an element of "Dumping" but this has proved minimal when compare to my previous go to lines, the Airflo 40+.

Admitted here, I am talking about boat fishing experiences, so perhaps that is a totally unfair comparison with Mike's finding from the beach.

[Spigola]

I've found that the OS is best cast just having the colored portion of the line out of the tip-top. That is the weighted portion and having any more line in the air when casting hinders the cast instead of helping it.

That's why I like this line so much. It helps me know just how much line to have out and in turn I find my self casting better with it.

Spig

[Charlie Bisharat]

Mike,

As has been mentioned already the OBSCWF has a definate sweet spot and finding it is the key to making the line work for your personal casting stroke.

As I am more and more involved with this industry I am finding that how people cast and how they use the equipment that maufacturers make varries WAY more that I could ever have imagined. The saying "to each their own " could not be more applicable than in the fly world.Being a self taught hack works well for me but like in golf , I wish like heck I had some instructions to start off correctly.

So for contrast I will share with you what I do with the OBS. I am a big fly enthusiast and as a result overline way more than most. I use a 9 wt XI3 with an 11wt OBSCWF and a prototype 12 wt OBSCWF on a 10 wt TCX.One of my favorite set ups is a 9 wt XI2 with a prototype 12 wt OBSCWI.That is 5 line weights over by most peoples way of thinking. I realize fully that the industry standard might suggest that I am cross eyed etc. My personal experience is that line weights on a box are a "most common" suggestion type of thing.

What starts to change the whole equation is all the "other varriables". Physical strength,casting stroke efficiency-line speed, fly size and areodynamics, leader style and length, wind -weather, fishing platform (boat-jetty) etc.On any given day these varriables might "reshuffle" as well.I know that I have days where I throw nothing but bombs and others where I can't do anything well.

The line is a really quality line and definately has a useful place in most any fly fishers equipment bag.I encourage you to keep at it and see what your "line hand " is doing before you give up on it.

Cheers Chas

[Mike Oliver]

Chas,

Thanks for your very open responce. I say that because you could invite ridicule from some when saying you are casting a line 5 times over the makers suggested. I must admit you raised my eyebrows an inch or two, especailly as I am having issues with just two times. But your post has inspired me to stay with the line and 9 wt rod. It could be me, I realise that. I have never claimed to be a great caster but I can handle std or long belly wf lines pretty well and get line speed sufficient that I do better with them at the moment than with my OBS. I was interested in the OBS especially for night fishing where knowing how much line is outside your tip is to me very important to consistant and safe casting. Ok on my std WF lines I mark them with a blob of Aquaseal as I have described in previous posts. I did cast with a tad of the head inside the rod tip and with up to 3 feet of running line outside the rod tip. I could not get the line to work on my Xi2 9wt it just felt vastly overloaded and the rod almost slowed to a stop.

Ok inspite of that I wll carry on thanks for the support and encouragement. I don't give in easily.


Mike

[Mike Oliver]

Originally Posted by flytyingguy1

In most cases you can up line sizes but my understandind with this lie you have to use the exact wgt! I may be wrong & never casted the line but would be interested to.

Not sure what you mean by exact weight as a fly rod is not limited to an exact weight that it can cast well. If you go to Rio's web site and look up the specs for the OBS you will see that the 30 foot head is a lot heavier than std AFTM weights. The company claim that modern rods will work well and that the line is good for the average caster. I am quoting if not word for word from what is written on the fly box.

I have cast a std WF 10 wt I line on my 9 wt Xi2 with no probs. In a following wind ( when we rarely get them) this OBS line will go for miles but I was casting into a wind with some head on, in it and the line for me did not work anywhere near as well as my std WF lines which was dissapointing at the time.
I was casting up to 2/0 Deceivers. I will do more work and see what happens.
My expectations of this line was that I could fish the fly roll cast out and go into a single back cast and then deliver. Sadly I could not achieve what I was expecting even with an additional back cast put in to try and increase line speed.

Mike

[rel1]

Mike- Since you have been throwing std and long belly fly lines then switch to the short head you may have to speed up your timing. Since I have been using the OBSCWF I noticed that when I switched back to the SA saltwater linr with its slightly longer head I had to adjust my timing during the cast. Also with the OBSCWF I don't hold any of the running line out of the tip, just the head and have no problems with my StCroix LU8wt and the OBSCW8F. rel1

[Mike Oliver]

Thanks Rel1 for the additional info. I may get there yet.

Mike